December 30, 2002

Video Games: The Frightening Facts

Fact: Video games are not just in the business of "fun" anymore. In 2002, the video game industry generated $10.3 billion in record-breaking sales, surpassing the film industry.

"long term depression and sadness..."

Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry.

Fact: Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness.

Fact: Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts.

Fact: Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture.


Comments

I am a 13 year old videogamer and I play these Games such as Halo and Halo 2 also Metroid Prime World of Warcraft and other great videogames. Not many people see Halo and look past the blood and violence but inside the game it isn’t just a senseless slaughter. Inside the game there is strategy, tactic, pure skill is what is used here and we play videogames not because of it’s goriness or blood or other content it is because we want to test ourselves against all else. It is a hard climb to become a true videogamer and have beaten your first game but when that moment comes the videogamer is overcome for the first time with a truly great joy. Beating a game is seen as an accomplishment and great trial and if overcome is a handsome medal and the gamer feels proud of himself as a true gamer. You have also attacked gamers like I who have written you letters such as these. You called us Feral when all we truly want to do is show you that games aren’t just slaughter. I mean you act as if all videogames are evil violent tools of destruction but they’re not they are simply entertainment. And you say the videogame industry is using tactics of Tobacco companies? So now you’re associating videogames with drugs to make videogame look bad? 2006 research was done at Washington University that concluded that no videogame could encourage more violence than a child’s cartoon could. In fact those who play videogames are nice and kind people. What I really hate though is You people who constantly have to argue because when you were little and there was no research done on videogames you only looked to your parents to know everything and they would tell you “too much videogames rots your brain” which is basically the same thing they say about TV. And about the report card you posted I have a B+ In PE, I have an A+ in Home Economics, an A in history/geography (because there are games about WW2,medieval times, the Renaissance Genghis Kahn, Joan of arc, The Crusades, and many other places events and people. In fact I am the only one in the class that knows who these figures and events in history.) and I have a C in computer skills along with a B- in math and a C+ in Science and a B in English. So just because you assume all these things and want them to be true doesn’t make them true. If you do not post my letter on your forums I will send you copies everyday until you get around to it just in case you “accidentally” deleted it.

P.S. You cant pull videogames down as long as I still draw breath…………

You say, "Video games are not just in the business of "fun" anymore. In 2002, the video game industry generated $10.3 billion in record-breaking sales, surpassing the film industry."

So, "fun" isn't allowed to be popular anymore? hmm.

You say, "Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry."

Actually, this is the same strategy employed by EVERY industry. Not just gamers are at risk here. Anyone who has ever flushed a toilet better watch out, the Charmin Ultra Bears are out to brainwash YOU to buy their toilet tissue!

You say, "Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness."

I was about to present a counter argument here, when I realized you have yet to give a single source for these claims. But that doesn't bug me too much. What bugs me is that a great many other things have been proven. Such as white man's superiority to other races, for example (yes, it was "proven" at one time). I could go on with other frightening examples of science's utter inability to rid itself of bias, but I'll end prematurely on this enlightening note: CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION. Look it up.

You say, "Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts."

Yes. More athletic and social peers are often mean. That's why THEY are social, and the ones who are victimized turn to other outlets in which they AREN'T ridiculed or given swirlies. And yes, younger gamers may very well become "lifetime addicts", people who are addicted to life so much they learn to appreciate it. These appreciative people often find slanderous psuedo-politicians like the MAVAV to be mountain-out-of-molehill makers, and they will become socially outcast. I'm proud to call myself a "lifetime addict", thanks for coining the term.

You say, "Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture."

Drinking blood, sacrificing virgins, and having wild STD-laced orgies is the only acceptable standard of living for demonic worshipers and extreme gothic cults. Now, now, looks like you mothers have bigger fish to fry. Don't let Harry Potter, tarot cards, and heavy metal lure your children into the devils clutch!

hmm I'm dissapointed with the video game community for only two comments. of course most of them probably read the above two comments realized it was pointless to argue against the MAVAV because they wont pay attention and the above arguments pretty much counter everything.

Oh yes... i havent read the rest of your argument yet. however I'm sure you included the video games cause violence. On the contrary violence (killings caused by teens) without accounting for the change in population (fyi: teen population has increased) has gone down substantially since the evil evil GTA series was released. i had a source for this data at one point but i recently updated to a new computer and lost my bookmarks.

ok look this stuff about video games makin kids/tennagers violent is dumb.If it was video games,wouldnt japan, one of the most technologicly advanced countrys in the world, Where tons of violent games are produced and played,wouldnt you think thered be more violance?and what about the parents and the kids with the school shootings.where were the parents when the kids were getting the weapons? But i do agree to some degree about the addictions.but video game sshouldnt be blocked from kids,you guys just look at the negatives to much

I see many flaws in your research.

Fact: Video games are not just in the business of "fun" anymore. In 2002, the video game industry generated $10.3 billion in record-breaking sales, surpassing the film industry.

The truth: The movie industry on average makes more than $20 billion per year.

Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry.

The truth: Splinter cell isn't aimed at children and has no furry mascots what so ever. Pokemon is a dying fad from the 90's that doesn't limit its self to video games.

Fact: Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness.

The truth: Video games help kids make friends by making an easy ice breaker and a common ground to talk about I know plenty of kids who have played video games all their lives and they are completely fine.

Fact: Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts.

The truth: See above.

Fact: Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture.

The truth: This sounds like a life choice and not a result of video games this could happen to anyone who wants to get free software.

I have a feeling that clans and guilds aren't going to turn your children into gang thugs...I mean seriously. I think the clans and guilds thing is a way for these people to find ways to socialize and connect with other people who like the same things. Its because they probably don't get out much and don't have many friends.

Video games aren't bad. I would consider myself a pretty hardcore gamer. I play all kinds of violent games from Halo 2, my favourite to Zelda, but still I manage to have a social life, good grades, A average including a A- in P.E, I play guitar, and I play basketball, and soccer in my sparetime. When I play video games online, I meet new friends, and don't even think about the violence. How many kids have done violent things because of videogames? And this time give an honest fricking number instead of twisting the information. You guys even say that clans can be compared to gangs, are you fucking kidding me? Seriously. They are nothing alike. Get your facts straight, videogames will never be banned and never should be. If your child is stuck on videogames, then do something about it and get them off parents. Don't make the other people suffer.

It's me again, and as always, I'm stating I'm 14 years old, so you know who you are dealing with.

"Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry."

This is the same thing politicians and every single kind of industry do. Pokémon games are slightly violent, but you'll never see blood or mature content in them, because thet are aimed towards young people.

Splinter Cell is not a "huggable and lovely franchise", all game boxes of this franchise are clearly labeled "M (for Mature)" because they are aimed at ADULT gamers.

Splinter Cell is not a "killing simulator" as you state, it is a "Third person tactical espionage" game, and the main goal of the game is to avoid enemies, instead of fighting them, the game clearly states "Your gun should always be your last resort". Meaning, you must get past undetected or knock the enemies down, not kill them.

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"Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness."

This is FALSE. I first played videogames when I was about... 3-4 years old, now I'm 14 and my social skills aren't "undeveloped" as you say, in fact, I manage to stablish friendship relations quickly, and I'd rather be outside with my friends than being in front of the TV mashing buttons. This proves wrong your "fact" about videogames making people self centered and having mediocre social skills.

I've never experienced depression.

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"Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts."

As I stated above, I've played videogames since I was 3-4 years old, and I don't suffer from low self esteem, in fact, my self esteem is high. Even when compared to the most athletic guys in my school. Also, as stated above, my social skills are highly developed, I've seen lots of "social outcasts" and I can assure you, I'm not one of them.

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"Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture."

I'm a hardcore gamer, and yes, most of us download "illegally" music and software. But, when I download something and I like it, I buy the original product. This way, it doesn't matter if I have 5000 songs on my computer, and 40GB of videogames, as long as I bought them legally.

Warez are the most common form of videogame piracy, and, your statement that:

"warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture."

Is FALSE, real hardcore gamers buy original products, even the so called "underground". Most of us reject piracy. In fact, non hardcore gamers download more Warez and pirated games than hardcore ones, because they think "Why would I pay 300 pesos (I live in Mexico) for a game I'll play only once, I'd rather go to the market and buy the same pirated game for 15 pesos".

Once again, your supposed facts are proven wrong.

Oh, and, about GTA series, they're clearly labeled "M" or "AO (adults only)", so they are not aimed at kids!


Get this through your thick, ignorant heads. There have always been people less interested in sports and athletics, people who didn't try out for track or football. These people simply chose a different path, trying to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, just like the other, more popular kids. These people started with interest in computers and became tech savvy, graphic disigners, software programmers, computer architects, and contributed to the technological advances of today. They live much happier lives than certain people who can't let go of their failures as parents and so project their problems onto a popular medium.

Videogames don't create social outcasts, a fractured and one-sided society does. The world will never see change, as long as people continue to spread hateful, disgusting ideals.

How About instead of making your kids choices for them you let them make there own choices, by the way my friends and i play video games like gears of war and halo all the time and ive personally never killed anyone. you say that negitive media will make kids today depressed and less mentally active, what about the romans who had working plumbing thousends of years before electricity? and they let there kids go to gladiotor fights where people where killed on daily basis.

P.S.S if you let kids make their own disicions then they will learn and wont regret their choices because they will know how to make the right one,

P.S.S.S i have had premarital sex with my girlfried, ive smoked pot, ive been drunk, i get strait A's and i go to one of the most exclusive preparatory schools in my state, if someones going to be a mess up then they will regardless, i know that im smart enough to have fun and still be a good student for my future

I owe my life and carrer to computer games. As a teen I got into games. I started to program. My job is a R&D programmer working on new technology to make your life better. I have had 0 fights in my life, am fit and strong, have over 10 years of martial arts behind me and many friends from a wide range of backgrounds.
My love of games has had a minor impact on my social life in my late 20s but that was a choice I made. I elected to use computer games as a way to relax after work rather than watching TV. While my friends slowly kill themselves with alcohole I make friends over the globe in online games.
Failed parents make for violent children. My parents are amazing. Maybe the parents on this site need to spend less time worried about computer games and more time understanding why childern might be playing them, and offer alternative fun things to do.

Hurray for FACTS on teen violence!

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/offage.htm

Violence committed by persons age 12 to 17 down %61 since 1993 (Didn't Mortal Combat come out that year?)

Alrighty, I love these posts. So informative and open for dicussion.

Alright, first, the statment about how gamers are these lowly less social, depressed etc. Very far from the truth as its portrayed. These people are no different than the bookworms back in the day who read books most of their time. they sat for many hours and many days reading, whether it be sci-fi, fantasy, and many did so to experience something they did not have in real life, or something they just enjoyed. And a game is in no way taking away from your life. I play games. I play wow and others. I have written and published books. I have a full time job. I go hiking, climbing, swimming, adventuring. Online gaming has simply expanded our options in life as for as yet another past time we may endeavor. It is often a digital world, that yes is cute or appealing to lure in a potential gamer, but that's how advertising works. Comparing it specifically to a bad substance for the sake of making sound your arguments if very crude and only successful against those... well... less logical and informed. True there may be problems with some gamers who do not know their limits or how to handle real life in retrospect of fantasy. But these, limited and few cases should not be made to hinder the rest of us functional people, which there are many. I notice that many of these posts or on strong attack posture towards video games making comparisons strictly to unhealthy things. Whereas tobacco even in small amounts is proven bad for your health, overall, gaming experiences have broadened and imporved far more, at least ten fold more minds that have been dampened by it. Good friends, loved ones or family should be both willing and prepared to pull someone away or help them with a problem they may have with any said game addiction. For example, if after playing wow your child begins to fail in school, then obviously wow has become and unhealthy hindrance or should become at the least more regulated. However for the healthy and physically, socially, mentally sound bunch of us that play these games to diversify our enriched lives, it is nor different than a good book or a puzzle or anything we should choose to sit, stare at and solve. Sure wow has guilds, but the purpose of these guilds is to promote rivalry no different really than teams of a sport or between acedemics. The in game experience promotes and often demands the use of manners and courtesies, timeliness, punctuality, kindness, sharing, consideration to others and bowing before your oppoenent both before and after a good fight. Obviously I have come to notice that people that attack this game either A haven't played it enough to know how rich a past time it can be and enjoyable or they are perhaps... enteirely to prude... to uh... enjoy life themselves.
Games aren't bad. It's people that make those experiences good or bad.
And yes, as stated above it is better to let your children make informed decisionsa bout their life. This will give them much needed tools for later on in life. Continue to build a relationship of informed learning through experience. Now I'm not saying let them try anything they want, that would be going too far. But for such things as sports, videos games, dancing or whatever, instead of the classic "no because I say so" because we all know how well that doens't work, inform and educate your children along the way of life's experiences and if they go astray take things from there.
Life is ever expanding and it stops for no one. the diversity of all things will increase ten fold through the generations. Just like how I love back in the day, the telephone was evil, a said form of whichcraft and something people should avoid. We sure got over that pretty quick now didn't we? No thing is evil. It's the choices we make and what we do that make the difference.

Oh, and uh... one more thing.
Above where it states the facts and findings of psychological problems with gamers. I know for a fact these cases were specifically pulled and how convenient for the argument that the MILLIONS of perfecrly sound and healthy gamers were not mentioned as well. that's lie saying 4 out of five people prefer this said sandwhich over the competition when they fail to metnion the other nineteen that wanted neither theirs or the comparison, instead voting something unfavorable. If someone is going to post only one, less favorable side of a complete and partial story for the sole purpose of aiding a negative endeavor, I warn them... not all of us were born yesterday and many os us, millions in fact can read past the petty glamour of advertising, the single sided-ness of extremist accusations, so forth and so on.
A fair warning I think, and though I do agree with all issues posted as they are here on this site, I feel it is extremely unfair to the issue that all contrary evidence and findinds of fact are likewise not posted... a true disappointment.
However, I suppose that's where us commentors get to fill in and make up for it.
Again, don't get me wrong. I love these informative postings. they adress true issues with real world facts, but I would harldy as a whole label them dangers.

There's no resources or evidence that proves that those facts are actually true. As stated earlier, the facts are merely just opinionated. If psychology really proved that video games causes anti-social behavior, then where is that proof? There is no external resources or references to turn to about this topic.

MAVAV is just an organization full of irresponsible and paranoid parents. If you really don't want your kids to play these video games, then it's up to the parents to stop them. Not the producers, the companies, the government, but the parents. The parents should learn to be more responsible instead of blaming their children's flaws on video games.

It is very possible to form healthy relationships while being a gamer, both through the games and outside them. Being a gamer doesn't mean you spend all your time playing games, it simply means you enjoy and play games at your discretion.

I am a 18 year old video gamer and have been a gamer since i was 6 months old, i learned to read from video games, i was taught to program on a commodore. i have lead a decent fulfilling life. My TEACHERS PLAYED the games i played, my social studies teacher taught me to play starcraft and the original warcraft. if anything games have taught me that strategy and tact are as needed as 'social skills' which i posses, supposedly, many people know who i am and what i stand for. the people who have never picked up a game controller i ntheir life are either amish (no offense) or have no friends, my friends and i played video games all the time, we did well in all sorts of classes, i was on the honor roll for most of middle and high school.

you said-
Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry.

let me repeat that- "Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell"

SPINTER CELL.
Please. do the research. Splinter Cell isnt "cute, huggable and lovable".

I am 13 yers old and i have been playing games since i can remember.I grown to like the more violent games myself but i dont have a low self esteem and i have plenty of friends.All of us play these games and we all do just fine in school.so from now on dont blame games, blame the real problem the parents.

Man, total load right there. I'm 14, smartest kid in my school. Right now I got these grades:

Math- A-
Science- A
English- B+
Reading- A+
History- A+

Video Games motivated me to read when I was 4.
Video games have taught me so much history, I could probably school your Grandfather on World War II.
Video Games have taught me a good deal in physics.
And Video Games have taught me strategy so great, the with it, I could be a Tactical Planner dude in the Army.
My hand-eye coordination is nigh completed to a perfection, all because of these "mass-violence monsters" that you have to hide behind so you don't become "corrupt" by the "evil" that is this world.

Have you looked at the FBI studies? Which show a 40 year low in youth crime rate. Which has been dropping ever since the release of the playstation. Have you EVER EVER, played videogames? Do you look up true facts, or do you listen to the media? Well guess what, the media is a bunch of misleading prats, who decide to make more money, by showing people studies that show videogames as killing machines. If we took videogames away, then where would the natural trend in violence go? It would go UP. You blame videogames for being sexist, but look at yourselves, you say that gamers are all bad people, who are a threat to society. Well by far the majority of gamers are male. Violence has always been around, and it is shown in books and movies as well. But you have read books and seen movies, so you don't blame them. You've never played videogames, so logically, you blame them. You have failed as members of society. You have alienated an enitire group of people.

"Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry."

You obviously have no clue what Splinter Cell is. Yes, we all love to hug those cute and lovable TERRORISTS in the Splinter Cell series, but in reality your obscured vision of video games and the supposed 'facts' are purely subjective. Your comparison of the publishers of video games to the tobacco industry is entirely absurd. The publishers may indeed intend to 'hook' youth to the video games. The publishers of children's books may also intend to 'hook' youth to their products. You have yet to cite any sources of the outrageous claims of your "studies." The grim truth is that the world is run by money, and people may very well intend to hook other people to their products and services. This is nothing new. I do not, however, see a Surgeon General's warning on the cases of video games as I do on a carton of cigarettes. LOOK OUT, EVERYONE! THE POKEMON ARE COMING TO EXPLOIT YOUR CHILDREN! :o
As for the rest of the articles: BS.

Video games have led to an epidemic of youth violence all across the world.
Who came up with this fact? I would think War in General would have led to an epidemic in youth violence.

Africa, and the Middle East is currently the HOT Zone for Violence and also sports Child Soldiers!
Heres a real fact..
There are an estimated 120,000 child soldiers in Africa. This is nearly half the total of 300,000 around the world.
http://www.child-soldiers.org/


Video games are socially isolating and desensitizing.
LAN Parties, Internet Cafes, Arcades, Gaming Magazines, Online Gaming, Gaming Communitys, Tournaments, Expo's, and more..

I don't think its socially isolating.

Video games are an inherently inferior medium to film and literature.
Incorrect. Film, and Literature is inferior to Video Games on so many levels.

Its a Visual-Interactive-Story which allows players to be in the story, and live the moments of the story. Games are even categorized like Film, and Literature and even offer more Genres.

So no, I don't think they're inferior. I think Video Games are far more superior.

I do not believe that video games are bad, there are many games out there that are not good in my eyes but some games have morales to them and they are good morales. If your worried about kids playing violent games than maybe you should monitor them, beside they do have a rating system on games.

you know what? re-check your "facts" because noone agrees with you. Games can be a huge stress reducer, but you can let your kids get high insteed if you want. also, just because you hate video games because you are horrible at parenting and need something to blame it on, doesn't mean you can attack us gamers. Instead of fighting a sensless battle that your not going to win, why dont you protest against something else that would actually make some people happy. do you people even have kids? if you do, i need to call the cops on you people for cageing your children. Games dont make people violent either, they become violent because they dont get enough attention. How about taking your kids to the movies or get involved in games yourself. Then you can talk to your kids and make them feel acknowledged.

And how can you even say that online gaming isnt social?? You cant get anywhere in an online game like a mmorpg without communicating and making friends with other people. And video game cafes are really social. Why dont you people seriously try some video games, youll see how social and none violent you will become. I learned most of my people skills for a game called Ragnarok Online. I had to perform my GM duties by conducting a wedding for a couple of people. When i did it i wanted to do i right, so i was a little nervious. I did i right, and many people thought it was good. that rose my people skills, and i thought really good about myself.

Quit attacking gamers and games when you dont know what your talking about. I bet your kids hate you for being over protective.

Alright guys, enough with all the FACT: (insert general and vague statement)

You are saying that "psychological studies" are proving that most gamers are outcasts and prone to violent outbursts and maybe depression. I'd really like to know if you "psychological studies" are actually from credible sources. Don't give us some lame "fact" and not tell us who published it. Maybe if you would stop and realize that almost all your "Facts" etc are from anonymous sources, so they pretty much could have been made up by....you. Who cares if children are "addicted" (which is another false statement because we are not sticking electrodes to our heads and being electronically stimulated). You will notice that the ignorant parents that make their "addicted" child stop cold turkey from videogames will notice no withdraw systems, other than a few swear words=) Pretty much EVERY addiction makes you have withdraw systems, so technically videogames are not an addiction, like you guys state every other sentence or so. Oh, and how are guilds and clans like gangs? If you have every made any research, which I doubt, you would realize how asinine that sounds. A "gang" is an organization that actually knows each other in REAL LIFE and promotes violent behavior. I'm sorry, but if meeting a couple nights a week after work or school and raiding/grouping to kill an epic giant or bash a few decaying skeletons is a "gang" activity, that's messed up.
Instead of starting a website against the addiction of videogames, which only wastes money; make a website that is devoted to stopping the millions of hardcore pornographic sites. At least then you guys might get at least one sponsor (lol) and aim toward completing a tangible goal. Jeez guys, putting up this site makes it seem like videogames are much worse for a child's behavior and character then pornography.

Just another 15 year old gamer

I'm a 18 year old gamer and have played games for at least 9 years. I'm a normal high school student with my own problems. Most caused by laziness and you can take that for what you will cause i'm sure you will. I have gone through depression multiple times, but you know why? it wasn't video games, it was that fact i had to go to school for 7 years and deal with people that disliked me because i was different from the majority. And i see that happening to gaming as a whole. OH GOD ITS DIFFERENT GANG UP ON IT. I will remind you over the decades this same thing has happened repeatidly. As far as 30 years ago people were saying that music was to violent and EVIL. Then they said the same thing about tv. Then books, and now video games. and each one of those minus video games. They were ALL proven FALSE.

And my fellow gamers thank you and keep fighting the good fight.

With millions of children dying and starving in the world, why are you people dedicated your lives to trying to stop something that has never caused violence in children.

Bad parents cause violence in children.

You make me so angry, and I say that as a tolerant liberal.

I am a) female, b) a teacher, c) in posession of an undergraduate degree, a postgraduate qualification and secondary education qualifications d) happily in possession of a very high IQ, e) extremely literate and articulate and f) an 'obsessive' gamer who will game for 24 hours straight on a regular basis.

The facts and figures that you regularly cite are not supported by the scientific or pyschology community in general, where is your mention of double blind studies using a varied and fair sample size? The lack of this evidence is due to the fact that there is no quantifiable and repeatable evidence to support the claims that you are making. If you are concerned (as should rightly be) about highschool shootings; campaign against the lax gun ownership regulations in your country. If you are concerned about a lack of community cohesion and familial closeness; look at campaigning for more support in your communities for family activities. Do not, please, blame it on the media yet again... Stating that
"Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts."
is clearly a hugely generalised assertion and one that does not hold water in light of the observable evidence. Children and young adults who game using Massively multiplayer online games with guilds and group structures are in actual fact, practising and refining their social skills in a safe and controllable environment, you would clearly rather see them partake in testosterone soaked physical activities which involve high levels of aggression and competition... which, I ask, is preferable? learning key skills such as hand to eye co-ordination, touch typing, IT literacy, social interaction and the ability to form relationships based on common interests regardless of nationality and colour, or physically competing against a small group of your peers in an arena that loses all relevance for most people once past college age?
You fear that which is unknown and harbour deep prejudices against that which many would define as 'geeky' but who would you rather have in your home... Bill Gates or OJ Simpson? I would suggest that you look more at your own attitudes and misconceptions before you rally against something that you don't understand. Only then will you have the right to challenge the culture of your children.
I know that this will fall on deaf ears but please be aware that your lack of knowledge is what causes the ridicule that is currently being heaped on you. There are debates to be had but you need to be informed in order to ask the right questions.

I'm doing a report for English on the bad side of video games, and after reading the comments, I must say, all of you "gamers" as you refer to yourselves (that's really pathetic, by the way) are getting WAY defensive about the arguments that this site has made. I have played a grand total of 2 video games in my life, and I can truthfully say that they both made me sick to my stomach even though there was no blood. I sat there listening to my friends cheering me on to "knock the dude's head off!" and "kick him in the face again!" and I just thought: why? I don't WANT to kick his face.
My own cousin plays video games, and he does it at almost every spare moment he has. He is forever bragging to me about his ability to press the buttons on the control really really fast. I reply: "Congratulations. And this will help keep bread on the table HOW?"
I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't play video games every once in a while. Just that you shouldn't make a LIFE out of it. Personally, I would be embarrassed to refer to myself as a "hard-core gamer". To me, that sounds like a desperate need for ANY position of importance that you can possibly manage to snatch up.
The people who did this research aren't trying to "alienate" you, as caelas says. They truly think (with good reason, as this has happened to some of THEIR kids) that video games are brainwashing, violence-inspiring activities and they're trying to do their part to prevent it from destroying your lives too. There's no need to get hostile and defensive.
So now that you "gamers" are all probably looking daggers at this message, I'll sign off. You can respond to me if you want, but I'm never logging on here again, so you'd really just be wasting finger energy - finger energy that COULD be going into your "gaming"!Heaven forbid!

I believe parents need to monitor their children on what they're playing and how long. Video games like all other media influence kids at young ages. I played games as soon as i could move my fingers and I want to Direct Videogames. With role models such as Hideo Kojima (metal gear) and Fumito Ueda (Ico) I want to make inspiring and well designed games.

I play games for fun and for the experience. I don't encourage people to let games take over their lives. I do play Wow, but only a couple hours a week. I want anyone who believes games are evil and corrupt kids to check out games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, and Okami. Just to name a few.

I posted a comment on your site yesterday, then logged on to my game to play for a while. My guild (which you equate with a gang) was doing a quest and I participated in it. At 35, I am one of the oldest person in my guild. Most of my guild is in the 15 - 17 age range. These kids worked together cooperatively, gave clear, level headed directions under pressure, delegated responsibilities without arguement, and patiently coached me through my first Guild Party Quest. They just about blew me away with their interpersonal skills.

I have great hope for the future of our country that a group of kids can work together so closely and effectively and communicate directions so quickly and clearly to solve a very difficult task. These are great skills they will need in their future careers.

I personally agree with many people who post positive comments on videogames. I am an active gamer. It brings many kids together, and i also believe that at my age (16) that video games give alot of critical thinking aspects to kids future. And the main point, would be that these mothers who started this web site have no idea what there talking about. Mainstrem video gaming is everywhere, and there is nothing they can or should do about it.

I can't believe you brainwash parents into thinking video games are harmful. Sure, some video games go over the limit, but it's your fault for buying the thirteen year old a AO rated game.

I am always on the computer, or playing a video game. If I'm not doing that, then I'm reading a Star Wars book, talking to my friends, or doing my school work(I'm home schooled). I'm going to graduate high school next year, which is a year early for me, I am making straight A's, I have plans for my life after school, and I am joining the National Guard Air. It makes me absolutely angry that you make people think that my favorite things to do are going to effect my personality and my GPA.

Clans and guilds are not, in any way, gangs. They are in games so we can meet other people with similar interests. I play Star Wars Galaxies nearly every day, which has a guild system. We have an amazing amount of fun and we all get along. Does that sounds like a gang to you?

Also, I have never used 1337 speak, or any of the other fads that make talking easier and cooler. I know people who do use it, yes, but they talk perfectly fine when they aren't texting.

If your still going to punish your son and take away his favorite thing, like a computer, then you'd better punish your "good" son who plays football. His football team is related to a gang, if you look at it from a completely silly point of view(The view that you look at clans/guilds with). Uh oh... Football is a very violent sport! We should ban it from the community!

With all of that said, I highly recommend that you rethink your... organization and spend your time fighting a worthy cause, like drugs or world hunger, not something like video games.

What strikes me about this sort of group is the sheer level of panic they can muster up. "Threat level RED" - surely you have got to be kidding me? This seems to be exactly the sort of thing concieved by people who simply refuse to even try and understand the phenomenon of the gaming industry.

Rather than actually spend time getting to know it before they make a judgment, they are content with inventing rediculous claims and hoping that their useless rhetoric is said boldly and confidently enough to hide the fact that it's a total pile of garbage.

I've been an enthusiastic gamer since, oh, around 6 or 7 I suppose. I am now 24, married, with a degree, living in Singapore, with my own public relations business.

My last client was the British High Commission, and my next is likely to be the Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology. I consider myself very happy, and my job requires that I am socially capable and good at netwoking. I still play games for an hour or two every night or so.

Please, before you begin telling everyone they are social outcasts, try to think it through. If the industry is making between $10bn and $20bn a year, surely that must tell you something? That maybe, just maybe, a lot of people play games? That this number cannot be accounted for by claiming children with little money are spending that much?

The average age of gamers today is 28-32 years old, and have been gamers from a young age. I would like to see how many of them are social outcasts, wouldn't you?

By the way, one thing I do genuinely appreciate is that you let gamers post here without censoring them. This way, there is at least some way to make this site more balanced.

I have been a gamer for 15 years. I started at age 5 and never stopped playing. My games have varied from Kurby to Killer Instinct, from Pong to GTA, and everything between. I would also like to state that throughout High School I maintained a 3.8 GPA, was involved in Band, Theater, and Art, had numerous friends, never suffered from depression, held a job, and still managed time to be active in my community. Where was I when the research for your "FACTS" was being done? Also at the age of 20 I have turned my love of games into a carear with a degree in programming. This will put bread on the table, as well as be a rewarding path for me. I agree that limitations need to be set (and they are), but let your kids have their fun because thats what it is, FUN.

I am 20 years old, in high school I was on the baseball and football teams starting at fullback, middle linebacker, and left field. During my involvement in these sports I was also a member of a talented and very active clan in a FPS game. Clearly, the social stereotypes of the dumb jock football idiot who is the best friend of everyone (who matters)in the school is wrong. I had friends and plenty of social relationships in school and out of school. I value the friendship of 2 people at my school that I met through gaming, and 2 more that I met over the internet and have known for years.

Playing games does not mean you are not athletic or socially adept. It means you like playing games. As far as grades go I am in college right now, I was a B student, I work and have friends still...and hey...I still play games every night that I am not doing something with my girlfriend, which as a gamer I guess I am not supposed to have am I? Seeing how I am obviously socially awkward.

Hey, here's an idea...maybe the socially awkward ones are those who cannot accept change and like to make "fact" out of stereotypes and unsupported claims. Maybe the people who run this site don't have a social life and are compensating by pointing their fingers at something else. I mean, why else would someone waste their time on stuff like this?

Please do not turn your opinion into fact. If indeed videogames were so dangerous to society, I would think the government would step in and do something about it. In fact there are organizations established by the government such as ESRB, FCC, and such which "help" regulate the market. If you don't want your kids playing "violent" games, be a responsible parent and look at the freakin' game rating. Stop trying to make videogames into a scapegoat to blame all of society's problems on. The only reason your kids are angry, violent, anti-social or whatever is because YOU as a parent dont do anything about it. Get off your ass and raise your kids.

Fact: Video games are not just in the business of "fun" anymore. In 2002, the video game industry generated $10.3 billion in record-breaking sales, surpassing the film industry.

Video Games are produced to entertain and sometimes tell a story (Final Fantasy)
These games become famous and are BOUGHT, that's how they made this money, by making a good game!

"long term depression and sadness..."
Games have never made me depressed, they stopped me from being bored out of my mind.


False: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry.

Fact: Pokemon was a game before it was a cartoon, and the cartoon has banned episodes.
And since was Splinter Cell cute?! He's an assassin (besides there are better games).

Fact: Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness.

Me and my friends play games together, I didn't have friends during school, to be honest, but that's because my school was full of bullies etc. not because I played video games.

Fact: Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts.

I first played video games when I was about 9, I still enjoy them, I'm not depressed and
I'm more athletic and stronger than my peers.
Also, I'm 17 and as you can see my grammar and spelling is almost perfect (unlike that of my peers).

Fact: Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture.

I've downloaded games before because I wanted to, seeing as your so bothered about the company making money I don't see how you should be getting in a huff about this.

Seriously, violent video games are labelled with an age rating, stop whining when your ADHD and Aspergers infected brat starts killing people (something no normal child would consider, me) after buying it a game with violence in when it's age rating is 5 years older than your kid!
Whatever happened to parents that could be bothered to watch their kids rather than ruining all the fun for people with a higher I.Q. than room temperature?

The problem isn't the game, or the kids, it's all your fault.

Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry.

REAL FACT: Just because you put "FACT" beside a statement does not mean that this statement is actually true. Do you have any marketing materials that can prove this? Its like saying, we will get kids hooked into chocolate so we can make them diabetics and make a killing selling insulin to them.

Fact: Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness.

REAL FACT: Try telling that to people who play via LAN, internet or MMOG's. People who play social video games have very active social lives. I've worked in that industry and have seen people meet other people, make friends, fall in love and get hitched.

I’m sure they have more active social lives compared to other hobbies like collecting stamps.

Fact: Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts.

REAL FACT: I've red that study in its outdated... It was taken back in 1981.
It went something like.

“When you start to think you’re a loser, you come
in here [to the arcade] and get 4,000 at Space Invaders and you ain’t a loser anymore”
(“Invasion of the Video Creatures,” 1981, p. 91)

People like this already have poor self-esteem. They play video games to make themselves feel better. It does not follow that video games make people depressed. It would be more like, I'm feeling down maybe a video game would cheer me up.

Fact: Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture.

REAL FACT: Your fact is just so misinformed. I don't know where to begin... Hardcore gamers would buy there software so they can patch it properly. Torrented (high speed downloads) games would be very buggy (many errors).

If a program is downloaded, it does not mean its "underground". Many companies put their freeware as free downloads to try and market their products.

There is also NO way that downloading software would dictate the way a person lives their life. You can torrent stuff and be a successful businessman or a complete looser.

Bottom line:

Parents ARE responsible for how their kids are raised. In most shooting incidents with children, it’s the fault of the parents who leave their guns lying around with a bullet in the chamber.

The reason why kids are depressed is maybe they have a chemical imbalaced or have psychological problems.

Blaming video games just makes irresponsible parents sleep better at night for the mistakes they have made with their children.

Splinter Cell is cute, huggable & lovable now? Do you know how many people you have angred by stating these false facts? Video games, in healthy doses, enriches the mind and presents challenges to the mind. Dont look past the violence, but see it as the childs trophy, victory even. As long as laws & values are taught to our children early, video games will have little affect on a childs behaviour

I want to say that most of these comments muct be posted by young kids who think they know everything, but once you grow up you will soon see that although these games will probably not turn kids into "thugs" it can result in depression, or obeisity, and being unemployed because all they want to do is stay home and play games all day. And children if you do become seriously depressed, you become a danger to yourself and others around you because you have no cares or fears of what will happen to you, because you dont care. Video games are not the answer to try to challenge yourself, if you want to do that why dont you try obtaining high grades in school to actually make something out of yourself rather than make yourself a game nerd. School can be much more difficult and the rewards at the end are much greater than that of video games. If you read the above comments, the lack of proper grammar usage along with the hundreds of spelling mistakes should show you where your mind is going as long as you play these games. Being a video game programmer makes you only cool to those you work with, and takes skill, skill you must learn from school. So go learn to make something of yourself rather than learn to become obese.

I have been playing video games since I was 5 years old or so, starting with Commodore 64 in the mid-80s. I still play regularly, mostly strategy games, but also FPSs. Unlike this site seems to suggest, I, as a gamer, have always had a lot of friends. I've had plenty of other hobbies such as reading, writing and playing musical instruments. I've always done well in school and with my higher degree studies (I'm currently working on my Ph.D.). Video games are a wonderful pastime and a perfect way to unwind by immersing yourself in a fictional world. Moreover, when you are growing up, they give you a chance to develop your language skills, motor skills, logical thinking, problem solving skills etc. Yes, even games such as Doom, GTA or Halo do teach a person these things.

Personally, I am grateful to my parents for allowing me to have video games as a hobby when I was young. They trusted my judgement and my intelligence and I admire them for that. It seems that not many parents are able to trust their own child these days, for whatever reasons - the child that is the result of their very own parenting skills. In the end, I would say, it always comes down to parenting. Not to video games, movies or whatever external instance the incompetent parents want to push their responsibility over to. My parents did a wonderful job with me; there should be more sensible parents like them out there.

your first fact is proof that video games are an enjoyable hobby, much more so than the movies (which by the way also has it's fair share of controversies involving teens)

your other facts aren't substantial at all and are utterly ridiculous.

p.s. athletics and socialization have been known to cause a great deal of stress as well. think EMO kids.

Would you guys like to join Mothers Against Hard Rock and protest against "demonic bands". It's stuck up, know-it-alls like you who are ruining the way kids grow up, not violence or swearing. By the way, I started playing games when I was 11. I'm 15 now and I've always played games like Grand Theft Auto. Ive never been suspended, never been in a fight and I got DUX of my primary school. I have many friends and I have made friends with people from different countries that are in my clan (or as you like to call it "gang"). I'm proud to admit I'm addicted to games. But can you admit that you cant stop ruining everbodys fun?

wow.....yea this problem is kinda blown out of the water....im 16 im addicted to world of warcraft....i have friends i do drugs i HAD a gf (btw i didnt lose her to video games i lost her to another guy) my grades suck im failing out of highschool NOT because of video games but because of sheer lazyiness i just dont care to do the work the video game has nothing to do with it..my sister plays also but she plays to talk to my friends -_- basically you guys make to big of a deal out of it the facts you so call them are wrong and have been proven wrong by others who have posted.....please dont blame the kids who are enjoying there life and living it day by day get punished for somthing the parents fail to see or over look such as the game rateing or anything else

Though she says she won't be back, I think "Anna" does raise some valid concerns that I'd like to refute.

"I'm doing a report for English on the bad side of video games, and after reading the comments, I must say, all of you "gamers" as you refer to yourselves (that's really pathetic, by the way) are getting WAY defensive about the arguments that this site has made."
--Ok, on this one first of all, I don't understand why the term "gamers" is pathetic. The members of the gaming community are known as gamers. As gaming is becoming more and more culturally accepted, yes, the term will begin to fall out of use, most likely. Secondly... I've read the same comments, and I don't see it as "WAY defensive". While there are heated responses... have you actually read the main article? "Video games: The frightening facts". Then facts with skewed readings of evidence that condemn the entire field. There are two responses that are rather well-thought-out point by point refutations, in much clearer headedness than the original article.

"I have played a grand total of 2 video games in my life, and I can truthfully say that they both made me sick to my stomach even though there was no blood. I sat there listening to my friends cheering me on to "knock the dude's head off!" and "kick him in the face again!" and I just thought: why? I don't WANT to kick his face."

--So... you played a fighting game, which is basically a measure of reflex, learned motions, timing, and at very small levels, quick forethought.
I'm sure that also gives you credence to comment on:
RPGs, which can be played such as to simply provide an alternate character in an alternate world, but can also be played in such a way as to have thought in attributes, skills, feats, small-scale tactics, long-term forethought, and again, quick forethought and planning
Strategy games, which focus on... well, strategy. Many also incorporate tactical concerns. Once again, forethought and planning are important.
Simulation, which are also used in the cases of simlators for actual professions which must be trained in simlation, for safety reasons. These are just a gaming extension of them.
Tycoon games, which involve economic thinking on heavy levels.
And countless other genres of games. If you don't like Action movies, does that mean that all movies are pointless? What if you just saw a single action movie? Why is there a standard of homogeneous assumption that can be applied to games and not to other fields? If you eat a bad apple, is all food then bad? As to the why... I hardly think it reasonable to assume that you have never engaged in any activity that wasn't work. Everyone has some way of relaxing, be it reading, Television, Movies, hobbies... why are yours better?

"My own cousin plays video games, and he does it at almost every spare moment he has. He is forever bragging to me about his ability to press the buttons on the control really really fast. I reply: "Congratulations. And this will help keep bread on the table HOW?""
If you have ever watched TV, watched a movie, read a book for pleasure, or done any hobby that is not directly related to school and a future career, then this statement is hypocritical. I challenge you to find anyone who doesn't have some form of relaxation that doesn't directly help them.

"I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't play video games every once in a while. Just that you shouldn't make a LIFE out of it."
Why not? Funny thing about video games, they are, for the most part, made by professionals. Find a game manual, look on the final 5 pages or so. All of those mentioned in the credits have "made a life" out of video games. They all have jobs, are making money, many probably have families. Why is it detestible to go into the field of video games, but not, say, writing? music? film? Are any creative endeavors useless? Jerry Holkins and Mike Krauchik don't even make games(save the one they are making now), their life is strictly to play games, and comment on them. Granted, it's a dumb career goal to be one of the very few game reviewers or comic writers who make it, but "Making a life" from video games is fine. Now, since your intent was hopefully different from your semantics, I'll try refuting that point as well.

It's currently 11:50 on Saturday morning. I have no work for classes left to do this weekend. I recently finished the score to one musical, and I have yet to get any lyrics from my lyricist for our next project. I have also now completed the personal goal I set this weekend of gaining more familiarity with the works of William Finn. So what would you suggest I do over the weekend? I'm attending a show tomorrow night, and an improv performance. Tonight I'm going to a new music concert. So 6 hours of my weekend, all at night, are taken up by pure, planned social interaction. What would you suggest over the rest of the weekend? By the way, the weather here is atrocious right now, so simply frolicking in the sun and whatnot is out. I plan to mostly watch Scrubs, play EVN, and Oblivion. A large amount of my day will thus be spend on games. WWhy not?


"Personally, I would be embarrassed to refer to myself as a "hard-core gamer". To me, that sounds like a desperate need for ANY position of importance that you can possibly manage to snatch up."
I used to be a hard-core gamer. Now I'm still a gamer, but I'm busy with work most of the time, so am not hard-core.
I'm also a music composition student at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music. Last month a musical to whose score I wrote opened, which the theater department is trying to put up again now. Early this week I got asked to do the score for a new movie-musical. I'm aslo a gigging pianist and vocalist. I would say I pretty much have a social identity, and one of importance. But I'm sure you're right, I'm desparate for a feeling of accomplishment.

"The people who did this research aren't trying to "alienate" you, as caelas says. They truly think (with good reason, as this has happened to some of THEIR kids) that video games are brainwashing, violence-inspiring activities and they're trying to do their part to prevent it from destroying your lives too."
Yeah, and yet when the research doesn't back up their hypothesis do they revise their hypothesis to fit the research? No, they twist the research to fit the hypothesis. There's ample research on both sides of the argument. Is some of the research bad, and the other good? No, they're both biased research.
I am a member of the vast majority of gamers who has never killed anyone. I have never been involved in any violent act, like many of my fellow gamers. If video games were truly "brainwashing, violence-inspiring activities" would not the majority be affected?

" There's no need to get hostile and defensive."

Right, there's only a need to make references to an entire genre of media as pointless, make reference to anyone who plays them as having no direction in their life, make a direct comment about anyone who plays games as desparately seeking a feeling of accomplishment, thus carrying with it a reference of inability to actually achieve accomplishment from anyone who plays games, and refer to us as all brainwashed, violent people.

That part was necessary. Anyone in our camp getting defensive? Probably the video games causing outbursts. We are, after all, very unstable people.

"So now that you "gamers" are all probably looking daggers at this message, I'll sign off. "
Nah, I just think that you've got a bit of a superiority complex, and are a hypocrite. But nice job once again assuming that anyone in a community shares the same views, and all gamers needlessly hate on anyone who, as you see it, presents any argument contrary to their universal beliefs.

"You can respond to me if you want, but I'm never logging on here again, so you'd really just be wasting finger energy"
If you were really the only person who viewed this site who shared your opinions, then the site wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't have had a platform for your article. I'm torn between seeing this as a very egotistical view that only your views are valid, or the opposite assuming that you're the minority of opinion. Granted, after reading the rest of what you wrote, I'm slightly more inclined towards thinking that it was egotistical, but there's always a chance that you're self-effacing and reasonable.


" - finger energy that COULD be going into your "gaming"!Heaven forbid!"
Now, there could easily be a case made that in my response I've been overly superior and insulting. And there's a fine case for that. I am, after all, not objective, and if only my responses were read, I would come off as a very insulting person.

I would like to thank you for this final comment, as it at least partially justifies my personality in this particular case. Honestly, did you think that you were just too objective in the rest of the article? Or were you afraid that maybe we wouldn't be aware of how much better of a person you are, so you had to shove in our faces that we lead pointless existences?

I know that anyone who reads this will look at me as a very arrogant, egotistical person, and given only the evidence of this article, their assumptions are probably well-founded. Now, I'm not as bad as I come off here, so I'm going to give you mostly the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you're probably a better person than your writing shows. There's a chance if I met you on the street, I'd think you were cool.

Still though, you've grouped anyone who enjoys an activity into a stereotype of dumb, aggressive, desparate, immature indivituals with no aspirations in life or skills. You've lumped all members of a community together and assigned attributes you see as universal. So you're insulting every member of the community, and you're stereotyping, and yet you still have the gall to act superior to all of us.

Now, again, maybe you're a cool person, who simply doesn't understand the community or industry, and took the results of sites such as this as fact, which is what many of those invovled in this site have done. But maybe you shouldn't be so quick to stereotype and judge.

Lol, this isnt true at all. I play gory video games, and i have a pretty good social life and great grades. In P.E. I also have great grades, but i guess it isnt the same for everyone...

I doubt anyone will argue with this statement: Most people who play violent video games have never, and will never, murder anyone, be in gang-fights, or anything of the sort. There are exceptions, but there are exceptions to almost all generalizations.

Second, video games got me hooked on history. Back in the day when I first played Sid Meier's Gettysburg, I was hooked on the horse and musket era. I've since become a re-enactor, and have a wide knowledge of history, whether about the first cities in the middle-east, 18th century colonialism, or even the sweeping social changes of the mid-20th century.

Are these video games violent? Look at the Total War series. Sure, there's fighting, death, and slaughter. You're fooling yourselves if you think you can teach history without mentioning bloodshed and killing. What of Jericho? Wasn't that a violent slaughter, a story conveniently found in God's own Holy Bible?

1. I have a social life

2. I have excellent grades

3. I have never killed anyone

4. I have been playing video games since I was 3 years old

Now, I know what your problem is, you need to blame someone for your mistakes! You're bad parents, your children are drug addicts, prostitutes, no social life, depressed. Because YOU raised them. It's not the task of an entertainment industry to raise your children, teach them ethics, morales, manners at the dinner table. That is your task you undertook when you got knocked up.

You know what else is your job? Protecting your children. To protect them from a stray knife on the floor, detergant under the sink, and violence wether fictional or non-fictional.

Hi, I'm Reuben Ellett and I'm a game reviewer for NZGamer.com. Get a life you sad pathetic loosers.

these Overprotect mothers should #1 be more concerd about the toddlers and younger children. kids over the age of 9 should be mature enough to know that video games are fiction. maybe if these mothers would stop trying to shield their teenage children, maybe they should ask the fathers to stop going on those "buisiness trips" and stay home to let their children grow up properly. lol if you dont like what i am saying then thats to bad. we are going to play these games till our thumbs fall off. as a matter of fact, i just bought Scaarface for my XBOX 360, so ill see you later

"Fact: Video games are not just in the business of "fun" anymore. In 2002, the video game industry generated $10.3 billion in record-breaking sales, surpassing the film industry."

I substitute your fact with my own:
Fact: Nothing has ever been in the business of "fun". As long as there is a way to earn money, people will use it to gain money.

"Fact: Publishers exploit cute, huggable and lovable franchises such as Pokemon and Splinter Cell, in hopes of hooking more potential gamers in today's youth. This is the same strategy practiced in the tobacco industry."

That is not a 'fact' that Pokemon and splinter cell are lovable, it is known as an 'opinion'. Also, Splinter Cell is a rather violent novel, which isn't all that different from a video game.

"Fact: Video games are proven to prevent proper development of social interactive skills which is needed for a happy enjoyable life. Gamers who pick up a controller very early in their lives are the most prone to life long burdens such as long term depression and sadness."

I enjoy my life as a budding linguist and writer at the age of 16. I have a surprisingly good social life these days, yet I manage to play video games every day, and have played them often since I was a child.

"Fact: Psychological studies have proven that, even the most casual teen gamers are affected by video games and suffer from low self esteem issues compared to their more athletic and social peers. The studies also revealed, younger gamers were more likely to become lifetime addicts and social outcasts."

I want a link to these studies, and those who made these studies. Otherwise, this cannot be verified and should be considered insubstantial. However, to counter them should they be true, See my statement to the fact above this one. " I have a surprisingly good social life these days, yet I manage to play video games every day, and have played them often since I was a child." True, I have been a life-time addict of video games, but I have plenty of self esteem, especially compared to my more athletic peers. Often times it seems like the people who are more athletic cause problems with society, but I will not start an entire rant on that. At least not right now.


"Fact: Very hardcore gamers are known as "underground." Illegally downloading video games, multimedia, and software, known as warez, is the only acceptable standard of living in the underground culture."

No, very hardcore gamers are simply very hardcore gamers. This 'underground' you speak of is an easily obtainable status. You don't even need a video game. What you speak of also exists in the real world. Warez is comparable only to thievery, not gaming.

On another note, my College ranking as a Junior in High School:

Math: Math 60, Algebra 1. Seeing as how I will rarely use math, and what I will use is not 'find the square root', or 'a(x+5)' type things, it will be quite unneccesary for me to get higher scores.

Reading: Reading 115. College level reading, top tier of college freshman Reading classes. Optional to take.

Writing: Writing 121. Also Top tier for college freshman. Not an optional class, but nonetheless impressive for my grade(most people in my grade level are a bit illiterate, and hate writing and reading).

I am currently learning Japanese and Mandarin Chinese, will soon be moving on to Taiwanese, Shanghai, Cantonese, Thai, and Russian. After that, Bulgarian, Arabic, and Persian. I'll see where it goes from there. I am currently working on a book that I hope to get published. And just a suggestion, if you're going to say somethings a fact, be prepared to get sources that back up your claim. Thank you for your time.

MAVAV YOU JUST GOT BURNED!!! wow Im doing a research project on how video games efect today's youth when I stummbled on this site. I truly belive that, the problems at home or in real life effect that persons actions not what there playing.

as you guys say "my social skills will be undeveloped" and "bad grades" and all that sort of stuff, way way false, ive been playing video games since I was like 5, (17 now) I have no problems with social skills and stuff like that, I have a B average in school, pretty much everyone in my school are my friends, I have a GF, how are my social skills undeveloped? even if I do play world of warcraft for hours a day, there is nothing wrong with me.

Even if the videogame developers do target young children, i strongly believe it is up to the parent to regulate their kids playing habbits. Because most violent games are rated as M for Mature meaning a small kid cant buy it.


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